Regecons live question list

What's this page?

A place where I'll update questions about regional economies I'm chewing over and add in any others (with acknowledgements obv) that I've picked up from reading or chats.

I'll break it down into different kinds of question. Though picking any one question inevitably pulls on other threads, let's see if we can keep it at least moderately sane. I will aim to write self-contained little pieces discussing each and how they connect, where appropriate with some data analysis.

Topics to cover

With exobrain sub-pages linked if made.

Misc links

Intro

A few words on the spirit of this work, going back to a point I was mulling back in 2018. I've just been re-reading a [2023 post by Richard Murphy](GDP are an honest attempt to do something that is conceptually and technically very difficult – and there are honest debates about what to include and what not to include.) about imputed rent (the rent that would be paid if owner-occupier houses were rented). It has - shock! - a really polite, critical, well-informed comment thread. Richard starts off with a GOTCHA claim: imputed rent isn't real! "10% of GDP is made up – it simply does not exist in the real world". Just another example, he says, showing how ridiculous national accounts are.

A commenter replies:

I really do wish you’d dial back the language a bit! GDP are an honest attempt to do something that is conceptually and technically very difficult – and there are honest debates about what to include and what not to include.

I want to keep my own discussions firmly grounded in that respect for work done by much smarter people than me, often under extreme pressure. The ONS, especially in recent years, has taken a bit of a beating despite doing phenomenal work with less money and a much harder survey landscape. Politicians will spin the tiniest percentage point change in GDP, causing stampedes this way and that. None of it's conducive to having those calm, honest debates that commenter wishes for.

But let's try.

I want to be guided by what's useful for understanding regional economies. National accounts are just that - national - and issues arise straight away from re-purposing those tools for subnational thinking.

The thread of questions will circle round - data thoughts lead into "what are we trying to understand" leads into "what theories do we have in our brains? What assumptions can we see, which can't we?" Those circle back round...

Questions

The problem there includes: economics' general commitment to spurious accuracy, or more specifically national accounts (economics has econometrics...) Also: ranking is very, very hard to let go of even if you know it's dumb. See: UK universities using THES rankings - dropping in and out of the top 100 is the difference between international student numbers halving or doubling in some fields. It matters. It shouldn't. It does. Cf. Richard Harris trying to push this boulder up the hill...

The data

Data threads

What do we want to know and why?

And how does this change the kinds of questions we need to ask, as well as where to look for answers?

A lot of things come under this heading:

A different but similar axis:

What scale to deepen connections between?

What is real growth? Why is it all so mad?

See e.g. the telecoms stuff in Productivity digging.

Here's a comment for this Calvin Jones post on digital:

My brain is a bit scrambled by how digital services are measured anyway. Their value shift since all the early 2020s adjustments are boggling - see the plot here: the telecoms sector's chained volume measure increased by a hundred and fifty times (index of 0.7 in 1998 up to 106.1 in 2023). Whereas its proportion of the economy in pounds went from 1.92% in 1998 to 1.45% in 2023 - i.e. dropped by * 0.75ish. I can go through the CV vs CP numbers and I think just about get the quality-adjusted volume / pounds per bit justifications, but it still melts my noggin - mainly along "if growth can be this reliant on model choices and what deflator theory we like, what does it really mean??" lines. Thoughts gratefully received! Cf. the Brookings paper. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/WP58_Abdirahman-et-al-1.pdf

Regecon journal

4th-Feb-2026: reflective writing on the whole regecon thing

Trying to get started on this. See Exobrain diary#^4779eb for thoughts on going with the brain grain.

I have a first sentence to put on LinkedIn anyway: "Seems to me there's a bit of a shortage of White Blokes Expressing Strong Opinions about Regional Economics on here, so thought I'd add my tuppence."

What I'd like first, though, is just to shape what I think this is going to be, and some way to maximise the odds it'll progress.

Bits on the uncertainty article 5th-Feb-2026

See here? "Imputed rental is excluded from "Industry L: real estate" because including it would distort productivity measures, since the output is mainly an imputed value rather than a result of labour or market service provision."

I was told it's included. Excluding would seem sensible to me, but... well, that's something we can check against the CP totals.

Note also 'strengths / limitations' in the latest subregional thingyo. Points out it gets volatile below ITL1.

Oh - I asked about regional GDP figures. Let's see if I can check on productivity figures. I'll check totals (as I've done before) and then email.

Oh ah 2: CIs are in the LFS / APS hours worked data - I can grab that from NOMIS. Would be good to check it roughly aligns with hours in the prod stuff. But let's see (or possibly just nab the CIs and apply them).

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OK, got a reasonable way just with the ABS and linking to region/industry GVA (the usual sector mismatch faff). Just want to list some things to aim for before calling it done:

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That's really nice, you can see the COVID signal very clearly in many places.